tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371869226918137688.post7589125561625446620..comments2023-11-15T02:33:37.285-06:00Comments on A Traditional Catholic in Iowa: Redundancy and Noble Simplicity?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371869226918137688.post-51626422545336782192022-02-28T07:49:19.004-06:002022-02-28T07:49:19.004-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hava Durumuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12336594572882799513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371869226918137688.post-78730125509195572432013-06-04T13:26:37.554-05:002013-06-04T13:26:37.554-05:00"You could compare the OF and the EF to a tri..."You could compare the OF and the EF to a trip from A to B: the OF provides multiple paths for certain legs of the trip, while the EF provides only one and it has a LOT of turns."<br /><br />I couldn't disagree more....there are very few "turns" in the TLM. The celebration of the TLM is very clear and concise.<br /><br />We agree that the Lectionary is confusing, but it is needlessly so. The use of the Lectionary was streamlined and there was continuity, that no longer exists.<br /><br />The ministers in the TLM are ORDAINED to do that, they are not laity misunderstanding their priestly role. And the ministers are fewer. At most you'll have 13 servers for a solemn Mass, plus 3 ministers. For most Masses, there are 3 servers and a priest.<br /><br />As for Protestant practices, I am not concerned. They are simply drinking wine and spillage while messy is not sacrilegious.<br /><br />Priests don't receive the Precious Blood from Sacramental necessity, but rather to complete the sign and provide liturgical clarity. The extension to the faithful is again an over extension/abuse of the priestly role. As far as the actions of the East, they have their Traditions which are distinct and separate. That truly is apples to oranges.<br /><br />No Jesus didn't institute the Sacrament to be Redundant, but then again He is God. No, the priest isn't making two separate receptions. Yes, the priest is receiving under both species because he HAS to. No, we don't wish that, but it is not necessary to receive under both species, due to fact that we do, in fact, receive the Body and Blood Soul and Divinity of Christ in the Sacred Host. For the faithful it is redundant.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371869226918137688.post-9203117774727452842013-06-04T10:28:10.889-05:002013-06-04T10:28:10.889-05:00The OF is complex when compared to the EF? I disag...The OF is complex when compared to the EF? I disagree. The multiplicity of options may be undesirable, but it does not necessarily equate to complexity. You could compare the OF and the EF to a trip from A to B: the OF provides multiple paths for certain legs of the trip, while the EF provides only one and it has a LOT of turns.<br /><br />The sometimes-3-year, sometimes-2-year, sometimes-1-year Lectionary is confusing, but only as a whole. Its format does not demand a person have a hand missal in order to hear and understand the readings.<br /><br />As for the cornucopia of ministers, the EF has its own: priests, deacons, subdeacons, torchbearers, etc.<br /><br />There are some Anglican communities that offer the chalice to kneeling recipients, so standing is not absolutely required.<br /><br />I think the notion that "receiving the Blessed Sacrament under the species of Wine is not something any Catholic should ... desire" is ludicrous. First, R1 was referring to LATIN Rite LAY Catholics only, since priests receive (and desire to, I suspect) the Precious Blood with regularity, and Eastern lay Catholics do as well. And this, despite the doctrine of concomitance!<br /><br />Did Jesus institute the Sacrament under two forms to be redundant, or for the external aspect only? Is the priest at Mass making two separate receptions? Does the priest at Mass only receive under both species because he HAS to? Do we wish that God would permit us to do away with the wine and water and have, instead, utterly "dry" Masses?Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.com